The simple truth is, I was never that up on what we believed and when we were told we believed what. I just believed. My personal research knocked the bible on its head.
Now I'm trying to help certain other people see that the WTS is dishonest/flawed without having to work on the basis of the bible being only man's work. And to do that I have to cover new ground myself.
Thanks for your information and pointers. Will read the PDF soon.
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Need Hard Evidence of 1914 Embarassment
by Eyes Open inwhere i can buy a copy of actual wts literature that shows the only channel of god's communication didn't "see" christ had returned invisibly (as every eye would do according to revelation 1:7) until well after the "event"?
which book do i need?
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Need Hard Evidence of 1914 Embarassment
by Eyes Open inwhere i can buy a copy of actual wts literature that shows the only channel of god's communication didn't "see" christ had returned invisibly (as every eye would do according to revelation 1:7) until well after the "event"?
which book do i need?
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So how comes a 1929 book (Prophecy) says 1874?
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Need Hard Evidence of 1914 Embarassment
by Eyes Open inwhere i can buy a copy of actual wts literature that shows the only channel of god's communication didn't "see" christ had returned invisibly (as every eye would do according to revelation 1:7) until well after the "event"?
which book do i need?
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Many thanks. I ordered what I think were the earlier editions of Harp and Prophecy.
So... I'm sorry for my ignorance (I should know better having been in the organisation a long time), but am I right in thinking that the 1874 thing was covered up by later literature to a certain degree. If so, exactly where do I go to prove their dishonesty?
I mean, I was thinking the information alone is shocking, but did they misrepresent when they changed their teaching?
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Need Hard Evidence of 1914 Embarassment
by Eyes Open inwhere i can buy a copy of actual wts literature that shows the only channel of god's communication didn't "see" christ had returned invisibly (as every eye would do according to revelation 1:7) until well after the "event"?
which book do i need?
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Oh, The Proclaimers book does, doesn't it? Page 632. Still, might be nice to have a book post-1914 talking about a non-1914 return of Christ...
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Need Hard Evidence of 1914 Embarassment
by Eyes Open inwhere i can buy a copy of actual wts literature that shows the only channel of god's communication didn't "see" christ had returned invisibly (as every eye would do according to revelation 1:7) until well after the "event"?
which book do i need?
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Where I can buy a copy of actual WTS literature that shows the only channel of God's communication didn't "see" Christ had returned invisibly (as every eye would do according to Revelation 1:7) until well after the "event"? Which book do I need?
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Will this Christmas be your first one?
by lfcviking inok so its only october so maybe this is a bit early.
but for me this is my 2nd year out of the org and i am looking forward to celebrating it again this year just like last year.. isn't it geat that we can join in with this celebration with the rest of the participating world!.
and no guilt feelings of being involved in a pagan celebration, over-indulging a bit, getting drunk a bit and enjoying yourself.. will this year's christmas be a first one for some people here since they have left the org?.
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Yep, first for me. I don't believe in the bible anymore, so origins aren't important. I'll be living with people and will likely be involved. Weird. :)
By way of practise: "Happy Christmas."
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Interesting old article from Time magazine re:1975
by marmot indon't know if this has ever been discussed on here.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,901074-1,00.html .
july 18, 1969 .
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Thanks very much marmot.
"They refuse military service, not on the ground of conscientious objection but on the dubious claim that every baptized member of the sect is a minister" I didn't know that. -
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Easily verifiable proofs please
by Eyes Open inthis is my first post here.
apologies i haven't introduced myself first, but i will do - just short of time right now.
in the meantime, please know i'm glad to have come to the knowledge i have and to have found sites like this one.
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Thanks again all for your input via posts and PM.
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Easily verifiable proofs please
by Eyes Open inthis is my first post here.
apologies i haven't introduced myself first, but i will do - just short of time right now.
in the meantime, please know i'm glad to have come to the knowledge i have and to have found sites like this one.
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Nice site. Thanks.
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Easily verifiable proofs please
by Eyes Open inthis is my first post here.
apologies i haven't introduced myself first, but i will do - just short of time right now.
in the meantime, please know i'm glad to have come to the knowledge i have and to have found sites like this one.
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Good points, and I know what you mean having been in the organisation from birth. I've already had some personal/emotional attack (which I intend to use to my advantage). But, based on our conversations together up to this point, I think I should do something. I couldn't live with myself if I don't as I won't be around to do it afterwards.
I've already said a lot and have opened up, so things have changed. But we're still talking and cuddling.
Thanks again - I'm still listening.
Edit: Does anyone have a copy of The Gentile Times Reconsidered I could borrow/buy? Amazon is out. Or could someone point me to the scriptural reasons for 607 being wrong?